tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post8831680111296409333..comments2007-07-24T04:25:38.930-05:00Comments on Indonesians Uncensored: Am I Delusional?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-59109342120305488222007-01-28T15:12:00.000-05:002007-01-28T15:12:00.000-05:00arya,
my point was bascially similar to tika's (...arya, <br /><br />my point was bascially similar to tika's (i think).<br /><br />if delusion can help ppl live through tough completely hopeless situations, then it makes some sense that "delusion" would be advantageous in their survival, and people would have evolved some delusional "abilities".<br /><br />think about people who have lived through holocausts for example - i suspect religion and Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523641844919145486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-67344272153676857222007-01-19T10:10:00.000-05:002007-01-19T10:10:00.000-05:00Arya: "Not sure if an atheist would pray in a sink...Arya: "Not sure if an atheist would pray in a sinking Titanic -- won't know to whom to pray to."<br /><br />Well, she would or would not pray. It is up to her. She might pray to Jesus, something she remembered learning about in childhood, if she sudenlly thought when the ship sank that it would benefit her in some way.<br /><br />If the atheist was my advisor, who never had any exposure to any Tikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667799093015899901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-15399752629810815402007-01-19T10:05:00.000-05:002007-01-19T10:05:00.000-05:00Arya: "I think that position is problematic. Doesn...Arya: "I think that position is problematic. Doesn't such a pragmatism mean people simply define what God is -- in which case, He/She/It is nothing but a figment of one's imaginations and prejudices? Isn't this delusion?"<br /><br />No, for me, pragmatism is belief based on both empirical data and utility, not imagination. Being delusional is not being able to accept that one may be wrong and Tikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667799093015899901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-57223683697494407492007-01-18T20:32:00.000-05:002007-01-18T20:32:00.000-05:00John,
Not sure if an atheist would pray in a sinki...<b>John</b>,<br />Not sure if an atheist would pray in a sinking Titanic -- won't know to whom to pray to.<br /><br /><b>Tika</b>,<br />I think that position is problematic. Doesn't such a pragmatism mean people simply define what God is -- in which case, He/She/It is nothing but a figment of one's imaginations and prejudices? Isn't this delusion?<br /><br />Personally, I don't think the Arya Gaduhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04330590627984700100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-44541063768121839212007-01-16T10:07:00.000-05:002007-01-16T10:07:00.000-05:00"Now, it's difficult, but possible, to organize on..."Now, it's difficult, but possible, to organize one's personal life in such a dualism. It's awfully difficult, if not impossible, to organize a well-functioning society with such a dualism."<br /><br />Hullo Arya. I think, when humans try to cope with inconsistencies, it is most natural deal with it by compartmentalizing things. But then humans want to synchronize them because we don't like to Tikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667799093015899901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-35490791842746772262007-01-16T09:50:00.000-05:002007-01-16T09:50:00.000-05:00Tika, salam kenal and thanks for putting a link to...Tika, salam kenal and thanks for putting a link to one of my blogs. I don't understand why you can't be both scientist and moslem at the same time? I'm sure there are many scientists who are religious. Why choose the line?Dewi Susantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14373005724962961543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-51719506987121772802007-01-11T18:08:00.000-05:002007-01-11T18:08:00.000-05:00arya,
ironing out ones life can be tricky, maybe ...arya,<br /><br />ironing out ones life can be tricky, maybe impossible. <br /><br />i reckon tika is right and ppl are naturally inconsistant, or perhaps better to say, flexible - they adapt to their context...<br /><br />for example, i suspect few ppl wouldn't pray to god when caught on a sinking ship -- even atheists!<br /><br />"irrationality" / spirituality could be v advantageous for Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523641844919145486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-6952902384579750322007-01-11T08:26:00.000-05:002007-01-11T08:26:00.000-05:00Tika,
Welcome to the blog world. Been hoping to p...Tika,<br /><br />Welcome to the blog world. Been hoping to pick an Indonesian evolutionary biologist's brain (as well as getting good titles on evolution ;-))<br /><br />I haven't read Dawkins's latest so can't really comment on the book. However, but I find the separation that you (and, I think, Gould) proposed troublesome. <br /><br />Perhaps it's just me, but I prefer consistency. The Arya Gaduhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04330590627984700100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-89149596167471167262007-01-10T16:25:00.000-05:002007-01-10T16:25:00.000-05:00Biology comment: hmhmhmm.
i think i'll have to ch...Biology comment: hmhmhmm.<br /><br />i think i'll have to check out those two references :)<br /><br />a stab in the dark: once you have variable replication, then living things will get more and more complex as they adapt better to specific niches in their environment. as the other beings around them are doing the same, you get increasing complexity - a kind of feedback.<br /><br />(don't take Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523641844919145486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-61870738299537750162007-01-08T17:51:00.000-05:002007-01-08T17:51:00.000-05:00"current scholarly literature on the history and s..."current scholarly literature on the history and social aspect of religion and their relation to the individual to make his claim more rounded"<br /><br />what does this current literature claim then? i suppose religion isn't all bad - and dawkins does i think admit that.<br /><br />maybe his arguments are blunt, but i think his message is that ppl should at least try to think more critically Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523641844919145486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-82252030096316007102007-01-07T12:52:00.000-05:002007-01-07T12:52:00.000-05:00"i mean the phenomena and how it works. for exampl..."i mean the phenomena and how it works. for example, you have simple forms of life which reproduce asexually, then more complex forms which reproduce sexually (and some forms of fish and reptiles which can do both)."<br /><br />I think you might be refering to the evolution of complexity in living things. Evolution that we know today is a mechanism that governs how variations in living things Tikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667799093015899901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-89068098703848455682007-01-07T12:31:00.000-05:002007-01-07T12:31:00.000-05:00"well, maybe i should point my ire at dogma instea..."well, maybe i should point my ire at dogma instead of religion. religious ppl certainly don't have a monopoly over dogma..."<br /><br />My problem with Dawkins in this book is the way he simplifies a person's religion/spiritualism. Simply labeling if a person is an atheist, a pantheist, an agnostic etc. is too superficial. He does not even bother to look at current scholarly literature on the Tikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667799093015899901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-8583579437351683762007-01-06T06:09:00.000-05:002007-01-06T06:09:00.000-05:00"obstinately delusional is not a special case just..."obstinately delusional is not a special case just for the religious"<br /><br />well, maybe i should point my ire at dogma instead of religion. religious ppl certainly don't have a monopoly over dogma...<br /><br />"obstinately delusional is not a special case just for the religious"<br /><br />i mean the phenomena and how it works. for example, you have simple forms of life which reproduce Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523641844919145486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-4726464157374537102007-01-05T19:40:00.000-05:002007-01-05T19:40:00.000-05:00I think though that being obstinately delusional i...I think though that being obstinately delusional is not a special case just for the religious. It is anoying whoever does it :D.<br /><br />Certainly faith is a big part of science, especially most of the time our experiments just dont work ;(!<br /><br />I don't really understand what you meang by the evolution of evolution? Do you mean the theory itself or the phenomena? <br /><br />Books by Tikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667799093015899901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8519682524351983829.post-34912214510757247062007-01-05T13:13:00.000-05:002007-01-05T13:13:00.000-05:00It's part of human nature to be delusional now and...It's part of human nature to be delusional now and again, i agree with you that ppl are temporally inconsistant, and that is natural too.<br /><br />I suppose what infuriates Dawkins (myself included) is when the religious are /obstinately/ delusional. They will argue black is white (another group may even argue white is black!) if that's what their sect believes, no matter what you say. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523641844919145486noreply@blogger.com